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"but I’m not sure who the audience is actually supposed to be. Because it’s so idealistic that it doesn’t really offer any comfort to someone who might be struggling with coming out.”-

This is the elephant in the room.

I stumbled across the genre of "gay" media written by and for women in a search for something which reflects my own life experiences of falling in love with another man. I am much less ambivalent about (as another commentor terms it) the queasiness they cause me. I find they often read/watch as straight love stories reskinned with two men, and there are an identifiable recurrent series of stereotypes, similar to those in Yaoi. In my opinion these are not authentic representations, they are not reflective of gay lives, and I am an concerned that using gay lives as an entertainment form for straight women is not a positive development for us.

I agree with the gaslighting characterisation.

I think there are two reasons it feels like this to me:

They are presented as authentic yet they are not, due to the author's lack of awareness. This inauthenticity is not identified by the vast majority of the audience who are not gay.

They are big events, created by and promoted by mainstream media. They present this as their contribution to their gay audiences, this is their contribution to diversity, this is their offering "for us". Yet I don't find this to be a contribution and we are not the intended audience.

The problem these "lies" cause is both when i watch it, as it rings untrue, but more so later; when I go to work or speak with friends. Some will gush about how great it is, they expect me to feel the same, that I will love it and be ? grateful ? for the representation They do not want to hear that there are issues with the portrayal, they can't see or understand them. And there it is! That odd sense of disconnection with the mainstream that being gay brings ... their response to the story's inauthenticity causes one of the experiences which the story is unable to represent.

Instead i just nod along and agree that this latest straight woman's fantasy about what it is like to be a gay teenager is indeed the best thing ever, and I love it. We are used to covering up how we feel anyway ...

Perhaps harsh, and a few steps down the road from your position, but I am disquieted about the mainstreaming of this kind of story telling. Imagine another genre of stories written by the dominant majority about black/muslim/trans/disabled people, but written for the entertainment of the dominant majority, and do the mental test to see if that is a good development...

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This articulates *so precisely* my complicated feelings about Heartstopper (including your addendum about the creator in the comments) that I don’t have anything to add except THANK YOU. It can feel very lonely to contain in oneself both the intended feelings of the show AND some serious misgivings about this cultural upswell of utopian queer futurism. It isn’t that I want to dwell on gay suffering (though of course I adore BROKEBACK because it finds a sweetness that is so grounded in that reality) but that I want the art that I love to reflect back the complex truth of being alive. I think of The Power of the Dog, God’s Own Country, Carol — Tom at the Farm, which I love So Much even though it’s drenched with internalized homophobia, because the art makes joy out of it — all these pieces paint deeply specific situations that feel REAL, true to our often hostile world, but also find hope that feels even more real because of that. I think maybe the Heartstopper queasiness I’ve never been able to properly comprehend until now is also partially about its explicit intention to encapsulate an entire world view, an entire generation, a completely inclusive space (which is therefore self-contained and therefore painfully incomplete and unsatisfying), while the things I really love only ever take on a tiny slice of specificity and therefore contain far, far more truth… in my opinion. But, like you say, I’m glad Heartstopper exists and of course I felt myself cringingly grinning many times (especially during the first season… the second goes much further down this track and loses me even more). Then again, as you allude to, I’ve never understood not taking homophobia into one’s own body, as Charlie seems to not do. I think this IS a truth for some people, who grew up loved enough before queerness came into it, that the hate really does come only from outside. Anyway thank you so much… your perspective is, for me, whatever the opposite of gaslighting is. <— [And I said I didn’t have anything to add 😅]

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